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Jun 30 16:17:36 ericb2	Nesshof_: hi :-)
Jun 30 16:17:43 Nesshof_	hi
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Jun 30 20:23:56 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: Just in case I'm not around for the meeting see http://smsm1.selfip.net/~shaunmcdonald/ooo/MacPortingWebSite.odp for a presentation that I have started. Note that it is a work in progress, and the server (the machine I'm writing it on) will be going down from time to time. Particularly overnight UK time.
Jun 30 20:25:22 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: thank's. I already got it. Just a bit busy, to answer you. Anyway, thank you very much : good idea :-)
Jun 30 20:28:26 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: no prob, I'll be away shortly, will be leaving IRC on to catch up when I get back. Any commentary would be great. ;-)
Jun 30 20:29:24 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: we will discuss your document around 22h00 
Jun 30 20:30:39 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: which timezone? Looking at stats can even get a hold of the referrers, though there is nothing since end April this year, see you later
Jun 30 20:31:55 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: we start in 30 min, and we will start to discuss your doc one hour after (approximatively)
Jun 30 20:33:12 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: 9 UK time, I'll see what I can do, might still be late, gotta go, otherwise I''l be even later back. See you later
Jun 30 20:33:47 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: cu 
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Jun 30 20:59:46 ericb2	well we are not too much today 
Jun 30 21:00:44 ericb2	for the one interested, I p^reared a more complete agenda : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/logs_meetings/meeting_30june2006/macport_meeting_agenda_30june2006.sxw
Jun 30 21:01:25 ericb2	I can't change the topic on the channel, because someone else created it and I'm not operator
Jun 30 21:08:01 ericb2	any question ? We are not too much, and maybe we can wait a bit or even postpone this meeting 
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Jun 30 22:11:17 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: ping
Jun 30 22:11:22 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: pong
Jun 30 22:11:41 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I see the meeting never happened
Jun 30 22:11:45 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: sorry, this meeting was maybe not interesting : none is there
Jun 30 22:12:10 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: or maybe everyone is busy or tired
Jun 30 22:12:30 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: I am, but I'm here 
Jun 30 22:13:08 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I know previous meetings have gone on past midnight, it can be tough to regularly be up that late
Jun 30 22:13:26 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: maybe. I'll wait .. and see .. or not 
Jun 30 22:20:27 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: how do you get access to the built-in update check? Just looking at the latest newsletter
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Jun 30 22:24:13 ericb2	hi Florian 
Jun 30 22:24:36 ericb2	fheckl: we didn't start, because we were not enough
Jun 30 22:24:45 fheckl	hi, and sorry, we had veeeeeeery thick traffic after the match
Jun 30 22:24:57 ericb2	fheckl: I believe you ;-) 
Jun 30 22:25:12 fheckl	ericb2: so, is it cancelled?
Jun 30 22:27:16 ericb2	fheckl: I can give you what was scheduled 
Jun 30 22:27:29 ericb2	the complete agenda : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/logs_meetings/meeting_30june2006/macport_meeting_agenda_30june2006.sxw
Jun 30 22:29:52 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: got adgenda
Jun 30 22:29:52 fheckl	ericb2: thanks! So we just adapt the agenda for next Friday?
Jun 30 22:30:45 fheckl	ericb2: or do you want to still wait and see...?
Jun 30 22:32:03 ericb2	fheckl: why not. Are some football matches planned next week ?
Jun 30 22:33:17 fheckl	ericb2: no, the remaining days are tomorrow, Tue, Wed, Sat, Sun
Jun 30 22:33:27 ericb2	fheckl: ;-)
Jun 30 22:33:35 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: According to Elgato's world cup widget there are none for next friday
Jun 30 22:35:51 ericb2	do you have some points to add for next meeting ?
Jun 30 22:37:05 fheckl	ericb2: not right now, but if I will have some, I'll tell you during the week...
Jun 30 22:37:14 ericb2	fheckl: ok
Jun 30 22:38:12 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: add url to my computer to the agenda, as I'll be updating over the week. Using your server as a mirror.
Jun 30 22:38:15 ericb2	fheckl: with you new machine, did you manage some time to work for the filepicker ?
Jun 30 22:39:04 ericb2	shaunmcdonald:  or just en me the new one, and I'll update ?
Jun 30 22:39:11 ericb2	send me
Jun 30 22:39:20 fheckl	ericb2: not yet, but I wonder if it's worth spending any more time trying to integrate it wth the X11 version...
Jun 30 22:39:53 fheckl	ericb2: ...or rather concentrate on the aqua version and integrate it only there.
Jun 30 22:39:56 ericb2	fheckl: what I don't know : is it backportable, or not ?
Jun 30 22:40:35 fheckl	ericb2: most parts should be, yes. At least I think so.
Jun 30 22:41:05 ericb2	fheckl: of course, if you prefer work for aqua ort, maybe start to work with Appearance manager, and see what is possible or not 
Jun 30 22:41:12 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: either way doesn't bother me, I'll just leave it where it is at the moment on my server and you can grab it after I have let you know about an update.
Jun 30 22:41:33 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: ok
Jun 30 22:41:50 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: and I'll update asap
Jun 30 22:42:19 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I was just going to say that the last update was at 19:35 UK time
Jun 30 22:43:19 shaunmcdonald	bit torrent is amazingly fast
Jun 30 22:43:43 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: BTW, m173 is still building.  (Tiger only)
Jun 30 22:43:47 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: PowerPC
Jun 30 22:44:02 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: with your fixes?
Jun 30 22:44:28 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: yes
Jun 30 22:44:44 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: this way, I'll have feedback for both PowerPC and Intel
Jun 30 22:44:53 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: only use Tiger, win XP (dad) and OS 9 (rarely on these day) in our hosue
Jun 30 22:44:59 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: good idea
Jun 30 22:45:18 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: would be simpler and faster with a universal binary
Jun 30 22:45:27 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: ;-)
Jun 30 22:45:32 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: me must start to build less for Panther, because we won't be able to support it after 10.5 will be out
Jun 30 22:46:20 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: apple compiler does not allow Universal Binary, because cross compilation simply doe not work for assembler, but we could try to provide e.g. 2.0.4 as UB
Jun 30 22:46:36 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: yep I think Apple may drop/reduce further support for G3 in 10.5
Jun 30 22:46:47 ericb2	just the bridge has to be "lipoized"
Jun 30 22:46:52 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: and I have two G3s sintting there
Jun 30 22:46:59 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: this is pretty sure
Jun 30 22:47:39 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I know some versions of OOo were built as a UB
Jun 30 22:48:29 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: I know too ;-)
Jun 30 22:48:31 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: if using XCode as a project management tool, then it does the hard work for you
Jun 30 22:48:59 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: currently, XCode can be used, but is not stable
Jun 30 22:49:13 *	ericb2 forgot to send a mail about that to Apple people
Jun 30 22:49:39 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: aliscafo found a way to use it with OpenOffice.org sources
Jun 30 22:50:54 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: fheckl: to help with the presentation can you please name some open source projects' website that we should look at
Jun 30 22:52:50 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: something to add to adgenda/todo list update the build instructions, including dependancies from fink/darwinports
Jun 30 22:53:36 ericb2	I'd propose for a next one, and start the work waiting we discuss avbout this point. Else, next meeting will need the complete night 
Jun 30 22:53:43 *	shaunmcdonald be back in a shortly
Jun 30 22:54:20 fheckl	shaunmacdonald: sorry, what do you mean with "some open source projects' website that we should look at"?
Jun 30 22:55:32 fheckl	shaunmacdonald: for what reason?
Jun 30 22:56:40 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: "update build instructions ..etc" will appear for next agenda
Jun 30 23:01:10 aliscafo	is back
Jun 30 23:01:50 ericb2	another point added : update the build instructions, including dependancies from fink/darwinports
Jun 30 23:01:50 ericb2	update the build instructions, including dependancies from fink/darwinports
Jun 30 23:01:50 ericb2	 Build OpenOffice.org using Xcode
Jun 30 23:02:08 ericb2	aliscafo: did you solve your problem ?
Jun 30 23:03:01 aliscafo	well apparently I have conflicts with typedefs defined twice but differently -> OpenGL related
Jun 30 23:03:41 ericb2	aliscafo: I meant your administrative problem ;-) 
Jun 30 23:04:07 aliscafo	ericb2: oh yes actually it's fine now
Jun 30 23:04:28 aliscafo	ericb2: sorry this admin stuff is not important compared to OOo ;)
Jun 30 23:04:57 ericb2	aliscafo: ;)
Jun 30 23:05:24 ericb2	is there anything you want to discuss ? After all, you are present !
Jun 30 23:05:31 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: projects are to do a comparison, that way you can see what works well and what doesn't work
Jun 30 23:05:59 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: can you be more precise ?
Jun 30 23:07:09 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I'll take each project in turn and take a quick look at there site to see how it is laid out, and what it looks like
Jun 30 23:08:29 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: good idea
Jun 30 23:08:34 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: example: mozilla - landing page only has a link to the developer area, thus normal users are not confused
Jun 30 23:08:49 aliscafo	ericb2: I don't have anything in particular to address. If you need help with the website I can also give you a hand
Jun 30 23:09:26 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: another important point, is we could analyse the limitations we have with our website,  and how improve things, respecting OpenOffice.org project rules. Yes, not easy
Jun 30 23:09:51 ericb2	aliscafo: I'd prefer see you work for native port first ;-)
Jun 30 23:10:07 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: I've done this thing before during the development of the website for the company I now work for. http://www.genecombio.com/ search for "shaun"
Jun 30 23:11:04 aliscafo	ericb2: no problem
Jun 30 23:11:23 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: can you tell me where the rules are for the development of OOo pages? I know artwork MUST come from the art project and you must also be authorised to use it before you do
Jun 30 23:12:29 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: I have no clue about that :I'm a complete newbie with website management. I just can advice you to discuss with Cedric Bosdonnat as starting point.
Jun 30 23:13:02 ericb2	shaunmcdonald: of course, Louis Suarez Potts will be helpfull too
Jun 30 23:13:26 shaunmcdonald	ericb2: ah that's a starting point, I have no cvs perms to the web files
Jun 30 23:13:57 aliscafo	ericb2: what's the latest milestone that works with aquavcl 172 or 173?
Jun 30 23:14:17 ericb2	aliscafo: m172
Jun 30 23:14:25 aliscafo	ericb2: thanks
Jun 30 23:14:41 ericb2	aliscafo: m173 would be a nightmare for experimental code
Jun 30 23:15:06 aliscafo	ericb2: ok
Jun 30 23:16:09 ericb2	aliscafo: the most important: do some cleanup, document the changes, and the design
Jun 30 23:16:42 ericb2	aliscafo: we must be able to explain what we did, and describe the logical
Jun 30 23:16:59 aliscafo	ericb2: ok
Jun 30 23:17:24 ericb2	else : no new devs
Jun 30 23:17:53 ericb2	aliscafo: just think what you appreciate here ?
Jun 30 23:18:08 aliscafo	ericb2: what do you mean?
Jun 30 23:19:08 ericb2	aliscafo: we always try to answer and explain you when you ask 
Jun 30 23:19:51 aliscafo	ok
Jun 30 23:20:56 ericb2	anyone knows 2.0.4 deadline ?
Jun 30 23:21:13 fheckl	shaunmacdonald: I will think about some sites you can look at, but I will go to bed now, so
Jun 30 23:21:38 fheckl	cu you all and sleep well :)
Jun 30 23:21:49 ericb2	fheckl: CU
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Jun 30 23:23:12 ericb2	well, maybe we can stop and report the current agenda to next week ?
Jun 30 23:23:38 ericb2	next meeting : 7th of  july same hour 
Jun 30 23:24:48 aliscafo	ericb2: ok
Jun 30 23:25:10 ericb2	good night all 
Jun 30 23:25:17 aliscafo	ericb2: good night
Jun 30 23:26:11 ericb2	I'll put the log on the site