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Jul 07 19:14:59 ericb2	hi :-)
Jul 07 19:15:34 ericb2	later
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Jul 07 21:06:49 ericb2	hello 
Jul 07 21:07:02 fheckl	hi all
Jul 07 21:07:04 ericb2	just back from Nancy this evening 
Jul 07 21:07:13 ericb2	fheckl: hi Florian
Jul 07 21:07:26 fheckl	ericb2: Hi, how was it?
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Jul 07 21:08:29 ericb2	fheckl: nice. I met some Mac users very happy with current port. They were very surprised with all the recent changes
Jul 07 21:09:02 fheckl	positively surprised I hope?
Jul 07 21:09:33 ericb2	fheckl: yes. system fonts and some other fixes
Jul 07 21:09:36 ericb2	e.g.
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Jul 07 21:10:20 ericb2	fheckl: in fact I propsoed my last m173 (m174 for Intel) including last keyboard changes ( #i58750# ) and cups, and they were extremely interested
Jul 07 21:10:32 ericb2	s/propsoed/proposed/
Jul 07 21:10:56 ericb2	@all  : let's start ?
Jul 07 21:11:24 fheckl	ericb2: ok
Jul 07 21:11:34 ericb2	ok
Jul 07 21:11:39 ericb2	point 1 last changes
Jul 07 21:11:53 aliscafo	hi all, I am ready
Jul 07 21:12:04 ericb2	native port : Stephan Scheafer found a way to make the font server work
Jul 07 21:12:33 ericb2	I put some screenshots on my blog, and I did the build including all the changes, even Pavel's menus
Jul 07 21:13:06 fheckl	no news from me regard. native file picker
Jul 07 21:13:36 aliscafo	I have a quick question regarding the GUI of the native version.
Jul 07 21:13:47 ericb2	aliscafo: yes
Jul 07 21:14:30 ericb2	FYI, a screenshot : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/screenshots/svtools_ssa_27_june/aqua_and_fonts.png
Jul 07 21:14:41 *	ericb2 can provide other on demand
Jul 07 21:14:41 aliscafo	Will we be able to totally customize the layout to make it as close to Apple's guidelines and design as possible or will we need to keep everything at the same place but look more aquaish?
Jul 07 21:15:35 ericb2	aliscafo: have you something in mind ?
Jul 07 21:16:22 fheckl	first steps I think will be just aquaish, once we have that we must see how much is possible...
Jul 07 21:16:36 aliscafo	ericb2: for example word for mac is quite different from word for windows, it looks nicer. So could we make OOo a true mac application and get rid of the windows layout.
Jul 07 21:16:38 fheckl	and how much we want :)
Jul 07 21:17:05 aliscafo	make it look more like iTunes, Pages etc...
Jul 07 21:17:50 aliscafo	i understand that we shouldn't worry about that too much right now, but I was just wondering
Jul 07 21:18:44 fheckl	I think we even have it in Tino's presentation to reduce the number of toolbar elements at least
Jul 07 21:19:08 ericb2	aliscafo: IMHO, this is possible, but we need to collect informations before, like how are currently drawn controls, e.g. , the location of the corresponding code, and all the mechanisms used.
Jul 07 21:19:18 aliscafo	fheckl: ok that would be a big improvement
Jul 07 21:19:23 aliscafo	ericb2: understood
Jul 07 21:20:21 fheckl	so I guess we can change things, but there will probably be limits. Tino or Stephan could certainly say more on this topic
Jul 07 21:20:53 aliscafo	fheckl: ok, thank you
Jul 07 21:21:07 ericb2	other last changes  :
Jul 07 21:21:35 ericb2	I have -at least-  understood how fix extensions, np_sdk  and some other issue building aqua 
Jul 07 21:21:47 ericb2	I'll commit soon my changes
Jul 07 21:21:53 ericb2	on aquavcl01
Jul 07 21:22:26 ericb2	this leads me to explain why
Jul 07 21:23:02 ericb2	in fact,  have completed the build, to see what happens, and there is a little problem with CFRunLoop() 
Jul 07 21:23:20 ericb2	maybe this isz my fault .. I'l retry on MActel to save time
Jul 07 21:23:38 fheckl	what problem exactly?
Jul 07 21:24:19 ericb2	I have first added the  #ifdef MACOSX || QUARTZ  in svmainhook.cxx
Jul 07 21:25:13 ericb2	and nothing was possible : no event, so, the font server was not able to start, and when I launched OpenOffice.org (with modified dropplet), just the first invite "Welcome..." without nothing came
Jul 07 21:25:39 ericb2	I recompiled commenting || QUARTZ,  and ... kernel panic
Jul 07 21:26:02 ericb2	so I probably have to rebuild more things than just libvcl 
Jul 07 21:26:22 ericb2	and I'll do another complete build with classical CFRunLoop()
Jul 07 21:27:17 fheckl	ok
Jul 07 21:27:29 ericb2	another problem is PPavel's menus. I had not a lot of time to investigate, but I'm wondering if an event class is not missing
Jul 07 21:28:38 ericb2	they are all drawn, but not accessible. I meant some keyboard event, maybe
Jul 07 21:29:41 fheckl	do we process menu selections already?
Jul 07 21:29:53 fheckl	or do you want to say that maybe this is missing?
Jul 07 21:30:31 ericb2	fheckl: Pavel wrote a pretty code snippet. I'll put is somewherre immediately, and everyone will be able to have a look
Jul 07 21:32:22 ericb2	http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/patches/menus_pavel
Jul 07 21:34:29 ericb2	Stephan first exaplined that using CFRunLoop() in same time as CarbonLoop() it was probelmatic, but I have tried, and menus are drawn, but not accessible. 
Jul 07 21:34:48 ericb2	just Apple +Q highlits Quit. That's all 
Jul 07 21:35:14 ericb2	that's the reason why I'm wondering if something is missing. ..
Jul 07 21:36:06 ericb2	X11 news now ?
Jul 07 21:36:15 aliscafo	ericb2: i noticed that in the salmenu file not many functions were implemented, for example create menu, insert item are not implemented. I am actually wondering how he does it
Jul 07 21:36:19 fheckl	ok, I'll try it myself in the coming days
Jul 07 21:38:36 ericb2	aliscafo: if I read correctly, CreateMenu is implemented in salemenu.cxx, in Pavel patch
Jul 07 21:38:59 ericb2	aliscafo: same for CreateMenuItem()
Jul 07 21:39:24 aliscafo	ericb2: yes but it doesn't look like any of the carbon functions to create menus are used
Jul 07 21:40:41 ericb2	aliscafo: we just need to install and register MenuEventHandler, no ? 
Jul 07 21:41:49 aliscafo	ericb2: well for example when you create a menu, you have to call createNewMenu and I don't see this call anywhere
Jul 07 21:42:15 ericb2	aliscafo: ok ... yes, you're right. This is maybe missing
Jul 07 21:42:58 ericb2	aliscafo: looks like it is in the patch
Jul 07 21:43:37 ericb2	aliscafo: I remember Pavel told me he used Windows implementation as model
Jul 07 21:44:11 aliscafo	ericb2: i'll look more into it now
Jul 07 21:44:27 ericb2	aliscafo: me too
Jul 07 21:44:39 ericb2	did someone fix something else in native port ?
Jul 07 21:45:24 aliscafo	ericb2: i implemented the fullscreen function but I am having trouble getting a reference to the actual window so nothing happens
Jul 07 21:47:07 fheckl	aliscafo: what do you have? Do you have a SalFrame?
Jul 07 21:47:41 aliscafo	ericb2: yes let me put it online
Jul 07 21:49:05 aliscafo	http://www.aliscafo.com/ooo/
Jul 07 21:50:57 fheckl	aliscafo: and mrWindow is null? Or where is the problem?
Jul 07 21:51:41 aliscafo	ericb2: mrWindow is a WindowRef to supposedly the current window
Jul 07 21:51:46 aliscafo	ericb2: let me check
Jul 07 21:54:58 aliscafo	ericb2: i'm looking into it, if you have other things to talk about meanwhile
Jul 07 21:55:26 ericb2	aliscafo: will this code stay online after the metting ?
Jul 07 21:55:28 ericb2	meeting
Jul 07 21:55:32 aliscafo	ericb2: sure
Jul 07 21:55:52 ericb2	aliscafo: ok, so wa can continue a bit. I just want to ask for code review about X11
Jul 07 21:56:16 ericb2	I have IMHO fixed +kb extension
Jul 07 21:56:28 ericb2	see #i58750#
Jul 07 21:56:44 ericb2	tested and verified on Panther, Tiger PPC and X86
Jul 07 21:57:03 ericb2	corresponding cws is macosxkbd
Jul 07 21:57:16 ericb2	and before to make it ready for QA, I need opinions
Jul 07 21:57:25 ericb2	it would be grea to integrate that in 2.0.4
Jul 07 21:57:28 ericb2	great
Jul 07 21:57:34 ericb2	and we have not so much time
Jul 07 21:58:37 ericb2	in the same cws, I have commited the "X11" issue with the printer having a name starting with X11
Jul 07 21:59:23 ericb2	Caps lock works
Jul 07 22:00:09 ericb2	that's all for Mac OS X, but I have other cws in mind, for some little fixes
Jul 07 22:00:27 ericb2	other X11 news ?
Jul 07 22:02:52 ericb2	Point 2 : Tino's presentation 
Jul 07 22:03:16 ericb2	next time ? Tino is not present
Jul 07 22:04:07 ericb2	ooops, I miss the end ot the point 1
Jul 07 22:04:30 ericb2	we have to start to document the changes in aquavcl01
Jul 07 22:05:38 ericb2	anyone already started ?
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Jul 07 22:06:57 ericb2	sorry, I was disconnected, an I certainly miss something
Jul 07 22:07:21 fheckl	ericb2: no, we waited for your return.
Jul 07 22:07:28 ericb2	fheckl: thank's :-)
Jul 07 22:07:35 ericb2	the last answer I got is :
Jul 07 22:07:56 ericb2	[21:55] 	aliscafo	ericb2: sure
Jul 07 22:08:15 ericb2	after, I was talking about #i58750#
Jul 07 22:08:40 ericb2	after .. disconnected
Jul 07 22:09:15 aliscafo	ericb2:  your last sentence "we have to start to document the changes in aquavcl01"
Jul 07 22:09:16 fheckl	I have "we have to start to document the changes in aquavcl01" as your last statement before you left
Jul 07 22:09:31 ericb2	ok, thanks
Jul 07 22:09:47 ericb2	so anyone already started ?
Jul 07 22:11:08 fheckl	not that I know of. Is there any one place in the wiki already, kind of a starting point where everyone can contribute his/her changes?
Jul 07 22:12:07 ericb2	fheckl: I already wrote a lot of things on my page : http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/User:Ericb
Jul 07 22:12:38 ericb2	fheckl: maybe we can start a new one, built with the best, and completed by all ?
Jul 07 22:13:16 ericb2	fheckl: my page is just a draft. Visited more than 1800 times, but a draft
Jul 07 22:13:17 fheckl	but yours looks already good. Why not continue there?
Jul 07 22:13:25 ericb2	fheckl: no problem
Jul 07 22:13:34 ericb2	evryone is invited :-)
Jul 07 22:13:58 *	ericb2 fingers are tired
Jul 07 22:14:17 fheckl	ericb2: thanks, I'll see what gaps I can fill
Jul 07 22:14:29 ericb2	fheckl: thank you
Jul 07 22:15:09 ericb2	about 2.0.3, some locales are already mirored. both Intel and PowerPC, and this is the first time !
Jul 07 22:15:51 fheckl	so, is rc7 == final?
Jul 07 22:16:04 ericb2	fheckl: If I'm not lost, yes
Jul 07 22:16:29 ericb2	when 2.0.4 deadline is close, 2.0.3RC must stop :-)
Jul 07 22:16:29 fheckl	ericb2: good.
Jul 07 22:16:55 fheckl	ericb2: yes, you're right.
Jul 07 22:17:38 ericb2	this will help Maho's server, and does make sense to discuss about coming 2.0.4 this evening
Jul 07 22:18:27 fheckl	ericb2: and the deadline is when?
Jul 07 22:18:54 ericb2	fheckl: lemme search ... omewhere on the wiki, or on OpenOffice.org project
Jul 07 22:19:29 ericb2	http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/OOoRelease204
Jul 07 22:19:56 ericb2	very close in fact
Jul 07 22:20:00 fheckl	ericb2: do we want to integrate anything else apart from your cws?
Jul 07 22:20:47 ericb2	fheckl: Warnings turned into errors ?
Jul 07 22:21:08 ericb2	fheckl: maybe the delay is too short 
Jul 07 22:21:47 ericb2	fheckl: but we need to validate this a day, else problem will arrive progressively
Jul 07 22:22:18 fheckl	ericb2: Yes, definitely.
Jul 07 22:23:23 ericb2	for all : we already are at point 3
Jul 07 22:23:42 ericb2	Tino is not present, so we postpone point 2
Jul 07 22:24:26 ericb2	fheckl: maybe macosxunobridgefixes will complete the cws list
Jul 07 22:25:00 fheckl	ericb2: Has it already been QAed?
Jul 07 22:25:41 ericb2	fheckl: no, because the fix is not complete ( see #i64672# )
Jul 07 22:26:29 ericb2	fheckl: just smoke test does not fail anymore, but Tino told me the fix is not complete
Jul 07 22:27:05 *	ericb2 ready for QA ;-)
Jul 07 22:27:49 ericb2	other questions ?  suggestions about point 3 ?
Jul 07 22:28:15 fheckl	ericb2: get rid of X11 :)
Jul 07 22:28:29 ericb2	hehe 
Jul 07 22:29:02 ericb2	Point 4 : How to improve Mac port website and communication ?
Jul 07 22:31:47 *	fheckl just looked at Shaun's presentation again...
Jul 07 22:32:33 fheckl	too bad that he isn't here. Should we postpone this point, too?
Jul 07 22:35:48 ericb2	shaun did a great work, really. 
Jul 07 22:36:35 ericb2	who disagree to postpone Shaun presentation to next meeting ?
Jul 07 22:37:16 ericb2	I propose we post the link on mac@porting, invinting people to propose changes too, using Shaun document as strating point
Jul 07 22:37:53 ericb2	even fipa was here 3 hours ago 
Jul 07 22:38:07 ericb2	damage, fipa was interested too
Jul 07 22:38:34 fheckl	ericb2: It's a good idea, even though the link was already posted in the meeting invitation today
Jul 07 22:38:54 ericb2	fheckl: so no need to reapet unendlessely ?
Jul 07 22:39:33 ericb2	Mac site was on Top 50 on April 2006 ! 
Jul 07 22:39:51 ericb2	great. Do you imagine if ever we change the look/content !
Jul 07 22:39:58 fheckl	ericb2: No, I would post it again and specifically ask people to make up their minds
Jul 07 22:40:17 ericb2	accepted :-)
Jul 07 22:40:30 fheckl	ericb2: top 50 of what?
Jul 07 22:41:09 ericb2	fheckl: all the hits are staticized 
Jul 07 22:41:37 ericb2	fheckl: and the 50 most important results are called "Top 50"
Jul 07 22:42:31 *	ericb2 invites people to only read last version (the one Shaun proposes)
Jul 07 22:42:34 fheckl	ericb2: yes, I understand, but do you mean inside openoffice.org or even the whole internet?
Jul 07 22:42:55 ericb2	fheckl: OpenOffice.org site
Jul 07 22:43:06 ericb2	this is a very good result
Jul 07 22:43:10 fheckl	ericb2: ok
Jul 07 22:43:40 ericb2	other comments ? 
Jul 07 22:45:32 ericb2	point 5 : prepare the next meeting ?
Jul 07 22:45:50 ericb2	point 5 : misc first, and then prepare the next meeting ?
Jul 07 22:46:34 ericb2	possible points are  : Tino's presentation, Shaun's presentation, Build OpenOffice.org using Xcode
Jul 07 22:47:18 ericb2	important:  because of the hollydays, we will have less meetings until end august
Jul 07 22:48:18 fheckl	We should include "build fondu only when building for X11" sometime, not necessarily at the next meeting.
Jul 07 22:48:53 fheckl	on mac@porting it was discussed to change the time for the meeting
Jul 07 22:49:07 fheckl	have you already read it?
Jul 07 22:49:24 ericb2	fheckl: yes, good idea about fondu
Jul 07 22:49:44 ericb2	fheckl: only build fondu when MACOSX  and not QUARTZ
Jul 07 22:50:16 fheckl	ericb2: we will need some more changes for the aqua build, but they can be done in time...
Jul 07 22:50:35 ericb2	fheckl: which one do you mean ?
Jul 07 22:51:17 fheckl	ericb2: e.g. changing or even completely omitting the droplet
Jul 07 22:52:12 fheckl	ericb2: At cannot think of anything else right now, but there may still be more
Jul 07 22:52:24 ericb2	fheckl: if so, how will start OpenOffice.org ? 
Jul 07 22:52:44 ericb2	fheckl: testig complete aqua build I just removed everything X11
Jul 07 22:52:47 ericb2	testing
Jul 07 22:53:42 ericb2	fheckl: this joins another possible point:  use XCode for OpenOffice.org build
Jul 07 22:53:51 fheckl	ericb2: By directly calling the soffice script, but we need to either change locations inside the .app bundle or have a script call soffice
Jul 07 22:54:33 fheckl	ericb2: can we postpone the Xcode issue for the next meeting?
Jul 07 22:54:48 ericb2	fheckl: Ok. I just wanted to say Apple did a lot of progress with XCode 2.3, and Pierre knows more about that
Jul 07 22:55:16 ericb2	now, when ( day ? hour ? ) 
Jul 07 22:55:46 fheckl	ericb2: maybe we should discuss this on mac@porting?
Jul 07 22:56:07 ericb2	I prefer people come on the meeting and discuss on the meeting
Jul 07 22:56:16 ericb2	at least one time
Jul 07 22:56:29 ericb2	else, we never will find a solution
Jul 07 22:56:50 fheckl	ericb2: ok, what about next Friday, same time?
Jul 07 22:57:54 ericb2	fheckl: yes : we propose the days and the hour, and if this is too problematic, or let us see we forgot something important, then, we will propose another hour
Jul 07 22:58:30 ericb2	aliscafo: what time is it for you ?
Jul 07 22:58:37 fheckl	ericb2: that sounds good.
Jul 07 22:59:06 aliscafo	ericb2: 15:58
Jul 07 23:00:16 ericb2	Next meeting will be : July 14th  21h CEST == 19:00 UTC 
Jul 07 23:00:36 ericb2	hmm 14th July is hollydays in FRance
Jul 07 23:00:56 ericb2	aganda will be : 
Jul 07 23:01:00 ericb2	agenda
Jul 07 23:01:18 ericb2	(please complete  :-)   : 
Jul 07 23:02:56 ericb2	Marketing : Tino's presentation
Jul 07 23:03:04 ericb2	Website : Shaun's presentation
Jul 07 23:03:59 ericb2	Last changes
Jul 07 23:04:16 ericb2	Native port documentation status
Jul 07 23:04:38 ericb2	4 points, waiting new one are proposed
Jul 07 23:05:07 ericb2	can we consider the meeting as closed ?
Jul 07 23:05:32 fheckl	ericb2: from my point yes
Jul 07 23:06:04 aliscafo	ericb2: yes
Jul 07 23:06:47 fheckl	ok, so enjoy your weekend and happy coding :)
Jul 07 23:06:53 ericb2	CU !
Jul 07 23:07:19 ericb2	bye all 
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