**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 15 15:04:14 2006 Jul 15 15:04:15 * Now talking on #ooo_macport Jul 15 15:04:19 ericb2 hi Jul 15 15:04:52 jamesmckenzie ericb: Hello from Sunny and Wet Arizona, USA Jul 15 15:04:56 paveljanik Hi Jul 15 15:05:16 ericb2 sorry for my silence, I'm ill since two days and my two Machines hadvery big problems. Jul 15 15:05:21 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: hi from France :-) Jul 15 15:05:56 ericb2 does anyone have the agenda ? I have not (reinstalling everything) Jul 15 15:06:02 jamesmckenzie ericb: Get well, worry about the machines later. Jul 15 15:06:31 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: don't know what happened. I'm better, but not yet fine Jul 15 15:06:34 paveljanik is the agenda in some list? Jul 15 15:06:43 ericb2 paveljanik: shaun posted it Jul 15 15:06:51 ericb2 paveljanik: probably on mac@ Jul 15 15:07:00 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Let me see if the agena was posted to mac@ Jul 15 15:07:31 schmidtm question to all: Shouldn't we post a MacOSX Build-Instruction with the new website? Jul 15 15:08:11 schmidtm or do we allready have something like that and I missed it (like all the time ...) Jul 15 15:08:45 ericb2 schmidtm: If Iremember correctly a build instruction document is already on porting/mac, but maybe not up to date Jul 15 15:08:49 jamesmckenzie Schmidtm: That was discussed on mac@ and definately should be a top priority. The build instructions are old on the current site. Jul 15 15:09:20 paveljanik ericb2: I can't find the agend in mac@porting archive :-( Jul 15 15:09:35 ericb2 paveljanik: let me one minute, I'll forward it Jul 15 15:09:43 schmidtm ericb2: I've got one link from you: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/MacOSXBuildInstructions, but this is really outdated. Jul 15 15:10:02 jamesmckenzie Pavel: The latest was for last week. :D Jul 15 15:10:28 jamesmckenzie ericb: Can you post it to mac@? Jul 15 15:10:40 schmidtm I can write a wrapup of my discoveries and you guys double-check it, what about that? Jul 15 15:10:52 ericb2 shaun posted two links : Jul 15 15:10:54 ericb2 http://www.smsm1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ooo/MacPortingWebSite.odp Jul 15 15:10:59 ericb2 http://www.smsm1.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ooo/MacPortingWebSite.pdf Jul 15 15:11:22 ericb2 not the agenda .. let me search more' Jul 15 15:12:25 jamesmckenzie All: That is Shaun's proposed new web site agenda. Jul 15 15:14:56 paveljanik but as Shaun is not here... Jul 15 15:15:35 jamesmckenzie Pavel: He is on a short vacation this weekend. Jul 15 15:15:48 ericb2 We can start with last changes Jul 15 15:15:53 ericb2 Point 1 Jul 15 15:16:16 ericb2 paveljanik: maybe you can describe us the last progress you did for native port ? Jul 15 15:16:45 paveljanik yes, I woulnd't call a "progress" though ;-) It is a small bugfix. Jul 15 15:17:04 paveljanik The current aquavcl01 has problem that in svdem in vcl, Apple menu and the application menu do not work. Jul 15 15:17:39 paveljanik They do not work because we use our own application event loop instead of the standard event loop of Carbon (RAEL = RunApplicationEventLoop). Jul 15 15:18:24 paveljanik this RAEL function installs standard event handlers. Jul 15 15:18:30 paveljanik Among them, menu events are! Jul 15 15:18:44 paveljanik Thus our corrent code doesn't handle menu events, Apple+Q etc. Jul 15 15:19:12 paveljanik We investigated several approaches to install standard handlers and found, that several other projects have to solve the same problem. Jul 15 15:19:29 paveljanik Thus we prepared rough patch that makes them work also in our codebase. Jul 15 15:19:49 ericb2 paveljanik: where must this event loop be located ? We already have a CFRunLoop() in svmain.cxx (maybe svmainhook.cxx). Does this event loop replace the previous one ? Jul 15 15:19:58 paveljanik The patch needs to be cleaned up, moved to UI initialisation etc. but in its current state, it allows us to move on menus. Jul 15 15:20:29 paveljanik ericb2: no. svmainhook.cxx's one will be removed for aqua anyway. Jul 15 15:20:39 paveljanik it is there now only because of Java problems. Jul 15 15:20:47 paveljanik So this is the first part of what we did. Jul 15 15:21:04 schmidtm paveljanik: do I get that right: OpenOffice uses it's own eventloop, no matter which Toolset I runs on? No matter which OS? Jul 15 15:21:17 paveljanik And because of the way I work with OOo source code, I had to prepare patches that bring aquavcl01 up to SRC680_m176. Jul 15 15:21:43 paveljanik schmidtm: yes (but it can reuse the event handling loop from the system as well). Jul 15 15:22:14 schmidtm paveljanik: what does re-use means in this context? Jul 15 15:22:19 paveljanik but I'm no expert on VCL. Jul 15 15:23:10 paveljanik schmidtm: e.g. for AQUA, we simply use the other approach to "application event loop" - unrolled RAEL, waiting for next event in while cycle. Jul 15 15:23:33 paveljanik but as said above, this approach doesn't install standard handlers ;-) Jul 15 15:24:03 paveljanik Other than that, aliscafo wrote he is working on full screen mode display and has it finished. Jul 15 15:24:09 paveljanik and that's all. Jul 15 15:25:02 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Has anyone looked at the Jul 15 15:25:21 jamesmckenzie Windows event handler. It looks like Mac OS X is doing Jul 15 15:25:25 jamesmckenzie something similar. Jul 15 15:25:50 paveljanik yes, every event handler does the same thing. Jul 15 15:26:33 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Thank you. Jul 15 15:27:04 schmidtm ... but usually a GUI software registers it's event-handlers/ActiconListeners first and calls into the system event-loop later ... Jul 15 15:28:26 schmidtm or better said: loops in a whilt(true) { getmessag(); dispatchmessage() } structure Jul 15 15:28:40 jamesmckenzie schmidtm: I was thinking of something like a message passer function. If the "message" is not for the application then it is passed over to the system event-handler. I guess this has been looked at? Jul 15 15:28:48 paveljanik yes, this is the same here - if we do not work on the event ourself, system does it (if the standard handler is installed). Jul 15 15:29:05 paveljanik but we haven't them installed ;-) Jul 15 15:29:38 paveljanik I suggested to Pierre, that the next stuff to work on could be bitmaps displaying. Jul 15 15:29:48 * paveljanik would like to see Invaders working on Mac first ;-))) Jul 15 15:30:08 * ericb2 rember paveljanik asked for removing Invaders Jul 15 15:30:13 ericb2 remember Jul 15 15:30:25 paveljanik ericb2: me? Surely not! I was even fixing them in the past! Jul 15 15:30:32 jamesmckenzie Pavel: How much effort wiil it take to get a link between OpenOffice and the system event handler? Jul 15 15:30:35 ericb2 paveljanik: really ? :) Jul 15 15:30:40 paveljanik ericb2: it was me who brought them back to work! Jul 15 15:30:48 paveljanik I fixed them... Jul 15 15:30:56 ericb2 paveljanik: works fine Jul 15 15:31:06 jamesmckenzie ericb2 and Pavel: Invaders??? Jul 15 15:31:12 paveljanik ericb2: good test on new platforms ;-) And motivating! Jul 15 15:31:23 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: in Calc, there is a goodie Jul 15 15:31:53 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: you can launch doing ... I don't remember exactly. Just grep STarWar in goodies ;-) Jul 15 15:31:58 paveljanik in fact, I have seen them yesterday, but only black window with title ;-) Jul 15 15:32:00 ericb2 or in the source code Jul 15 15:32:08 paveljanik and double free at the end ;-) Jul 15 15:32:13 jamesmckenzie erib2: Ok. Please send in PM. Jul 15 15:32:41 paveljanik and this is all about "progress" now. Anyone else? Jul 15 15:33:05 ericb2 just macosxkbd has been intrgrated in m177 Jul 15 15:33:10 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Have you looked at Shaun's proposal for the new web site? Jul 15 15:33:44 paveljanik jamesmckenzie: yes (now). But in fact, I *personally* do not care about presentation side of our project. I care about technical issues. Jul 15 15:33:51 jamesmckenzie Ericb: Good. I guess I will wait on Maho's build and find a good high speed connection to get it. Jul 15 15:33:54 paveljanik do not expect comments from me. Jul 15 15:33:59 ericb2 for macosx204fixes, it will be more difficult, but Mox idea, to hardcode the Font Path is ok for me Jul 15 15:34:19 paveljanik yes, even better approach than links. Jul 15 15:34:33 ericb2 paveljanik: yes Jul 15 15:34:40 ericb2 paveljanik: I'll test it asap Jul 15 15:35:04 jamesmckenzie ericb: I don't like hardcoding to find things. However, this will 'work' for an interm fix. I've found that users tend to 'mess' things up. Jul 15 15:35:22 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Jul 15 15:35:28 paveljanik we can query the system for Fonts paths... Jul 15 15:35:44 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: in fact, the discussion is really Open Jul 15 15:36:04 jamesmckenzie Pavel: Ok. I agree that your focus is technical. However, your comments on the web site are always welcom Jul 15 15:37:37 jamesmckenzie ericb and Pavel: Yes we should query for the font paths as user's can and will move them or even add a few in a place they should not. Hardcoding will 'miss' those fonts. Jul 15 15:38:15 schmidtm all: I had no time to look at the new website so far - but I truly believe that a smart - and more important - uptodate website attracts people! So any work on improving the website is a good thing to my believe. Jul 15 15:39:17 schmidtm all: may i re-iterate my proposal to come up with a new Build-Instruction, to get People faster up to speed? Jul 15 15:39:26 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: don't forget, the path in question helps us to find all .ttf, and only them Jul 15 15:39:37 paveljanik ericb2: do you have ssa's patches for fonts? I'd like to integrate them into my build system as well so I see all the progress... Jul 15 15:39:55 ericb2 paveljanik: I put it on my site .. wait a minute. Jul 15 15:40:06 * ericb2 already completed the build ;-) Jul 15 15:40:27 ericb2 @all : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/patches/atsui_basics/i_aquavcl01_atsui01.diff Jul 15 15:40:46 ericb2 to be applied in $SRC_DIR Jul 15 15:41:15 ericb2 @all : FYI, I'll put everything there : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/patches/ Jul 15 15:42:02 jamesmckenzie Eric: You have one fast machine there. Is the build working? Jul 15 15:42:30 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: I just reinstalled everything one minute before the meeting starts :-) Jul 15 15:42:37 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: m176 build is in progress Jul 15 15:42:54 paveljanik m176 built here without problems. Jul 15 15:43:08 paveljanik problems are waiting for warnings to be turned on ;-) Jul 15 15:43:11 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: I'll build Aqua after. I first want to check my install Jul 15 15:43:30 ericb2 may we complete the first point ? Jul 15 15:43:49 ericb2 what is scheduled for 2.0.4 ? ( what is missing .. ) Jul 15 15:44:00 ericb2 the deadline is close, and hollidays too Jul 15 15:44:05 jamesmckenzie ericb: Ok. I thought you had finished the Aqua build. Jul 15 15:44:28 jamesmckenzie Pavel: I guess we can close the first point. What is the second? Jul 15 15:44:29 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: I did, on my PowerPC. OOo strats, but without fonts -> infinite loop Jul 15 15:44:37 ericb2 s/strats/starts/ Jul 15 15:44:44 paveljanik jamesmckenzie: please aither use fullnick as prefix or nothing. Jul 15 15:45:17 ericb2 paveljanik: I was thinking to partial bridge fix Jul 15 15:45:31 ericb2 paveljanik: IMHO, very important Jul 15 15:45:44 ericb2 but Tino is not present to tell u smore Jul 15 15:45:52 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: Thanks. Jul 15 15:47:10 * ericb2 means : http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=64672 Jul 15 15:47:43 ericb2 the information I have : the fix is not complete, because other exceptions can occur Jul 15 15:48:13 ericb2 and other complementary tests have to be made Jul 15 15:49:51 ericb2 .. Jul 15 15:50:03 ericb2 disconnected ? Jul 15 15:50:26 paveljanik ericb2: you? no ;-) Jul 15 15:50:32 ericb2 ok :) Jul 15 15:51:13 ericb2 point 2 ? Jul 15 15:51:19 ericb2 website ? Jul 15 15:51:53 jamesmckenzie erib2: Shaun is not here today. I suggest we hold this until he can comment on it. Jul 15 15:52:22 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: we can discuss about the technical points ? Jul 15 15:52:40 ericb2 the problem with mac website, is developer rights are needed to commit Jul 15 15:52:49 ericb2 they are very important rights Jul 15 15:53:04 paveljanik no, web developer is enough IIRC. Jul 15 15:53:33 ericb2 paveljanik: yes, probably because www does contain porting Jul 15 15:53:52 jamesmckenzie Yes, this is very important. At the present moment Shaun is working with Erich Hoch who does have rights to update the web site. Jul 15 15:55:03 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: You are correct, all you should need to update the web site is web developer rights. Jul 15 15:55:20 paveljanik jamesmckenzie: you are correct, that I'm correct. Jul 15 15:55:39 paveljanik not *should*. It simply is a fact... Jul 15 15:56:23 ericb2 The question I have is : how decide the content ? and do we fix a deadline, etc to decide ? Jul 15 15:56:47 paveljanik without Shaun and Filip we are not able to decide. Jul 15 15:56:52 paveljanik and Eric H. Jul 15 15:57:27 paveljanik dmake Jul 15 15:57:36 ericb2 paveljanik: we all can give our opinion, no ? Jul 15 15:57:40 jamesmckenzie ericb2: As to the content, I don't know who should make the decision. As to the deadlines, that may be a group decision. Jul 15 15:57:43 paveljanik sorry, wrong computer on KVM ;-) Jul 15 15:58:24 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: Yes, we need the web group here to discuss. Looks like you are working on a build (again). Jul 15 15:59:55 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: focus follows mind does not work ;-) Jul 15 16:01:00 jamesmckenzie ericb2: 8D Jul 15 16:01:49 jamesmckenzie Ok, so what shall the second point be? Maho is not here either to discuss builds and distribution. Jul 15 16:01:59 ericb2 I propose we continue to discuss this point using mac@porting, and put it again for the next meeting Jul 15 16:02:15 ericb2 shaun will be there for sure Jul 15 16:03:41 jamesmckenzie ericb2: Yes, web site should be on next week's agenda. Hopefully, Eric H. and Filip will be here too. Jul 15 16:04:23 ericb2 next point : Tino's presentation : ... postponed one more time Jul 15 16:05:20 jamesmckenzie ericb2: :-( I was looking forward to this. Jul 15 16:06:00 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: if you wan't to discuss, or prepare a question, please do : it will be in the log Jul 15 16:12:04 ericb2 Next point ? Jul 15 16:12:34 jamesmckenzie I would like to point out that RC7 still needs to be approved for many languages. I will approve for en_US. Jul 15 16:13:07 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: important, yes Jul 15 16:13:59 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: which issues are remaining ? Jul 15 16:14:21 ericb2 I know en-GB has problems with localization ( epxort pdf e.g. ) Jul 15 16:14:35 ericb2 s/epxort/export/ Jul 15 16:15:39 paveljanik ericb2: this will not be solved. I commented in that issue - Ivo H. will investigate on Monday. Jul 15 16:16:08 jamesmckenzie ericb2: The keyboard problem, Thunderbird mail (which we cannot fix) and Java Applet display in an HTML web page (which we cannot fix). That is all that I found in my use. I was able to export to PDF without a problem in the en_US version. I don't know why the en_GB version has problems. Jul 15 16:16:49 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: if ivo is still searching, it's probably not trivial. Jul 15 16:17:01 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: the keyboard will be solved for 2.0.4 Jul 15 16:17:30 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: Java Applets, don't know, and I did not remember if It was even working a day Jul 15 16:17:52 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I know. Did the CWS for this fix make the deadline? Jul 15 16:18:07 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: which cws ? Jul 15 16:18:34 paveljanik what deadline? Jul 15 16:18:43 jamesmckenzie ericb2: Java applet display in Mac OS X should not work because of the Java VM security posture that Apple uses. This is not used in Windows or *NIX versions. Jul 15 16:19:01 jamesmckenzie ericb2: macosxkbd. Jul 15 16:19:31 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: I was not aware. For macosxkbd, it is integrated in m177 (yet not tagged), but sure, it will be in 2.0.4 Jul 15 16:19:51 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: According to the timeline, code was to be frozen for 2.0.4 yesterday. Jul 15 16:20:06 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: I have even tested with gtk plugin :-) Jul 15 16:21:09 jamesmckenzie ericb2: Thank you. Does the applet display with the gtk plugin? Jul 15 16:21:17 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: not tested Jul 15 16:21:41 ericb2 next point ? Jul 15 16:22:02 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I understand now. Jul 15 16:22:16 paveljanik meeting time? I do not think this is optimal time. Jul 15 16:22:36 paveljanik not all could attend anyway. It is Saturday! Jul 15 16:22:49 schmidtm I agree. Jul 15 16:22:50 ericb2 paveljanik: I'd propose misc before Jul 15 16:23:08 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: I agree. I cannot attend at this time during the week. I am on mass transportation at this time. Jul 15 16:23:11 ericb2 paveljanik: but we can alternate : one week friday, one week saturday ? Jul 15 16:23:40 ericb2 and even better : fix a calendar Jul 15 16:23:56 ericb2 with potential people subscribed Jul 15 16:24:03 ericb2 the wiki is perfect for that Jul 15 16:24:22 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I agree with your thought. I can read the logs of Friday's conversaton. Jul 15 16:25:33 jamesmckenzie ericb2: And the mac@ list is great for discussing when the next meeting should be. Jul 15 16:26:15 ericb2 if none disagree, I'll continue to propose the agenda on mac@porting, and start a wiki page about mac meetings Jul 15 16:26:36 jamesmckenzie ericb2: No complaints from me. Jul 15 16:26:42 paveljanik I think the list os good for both processes... Jul 15 16:26:52 paveljanik Wiki is good for meeting notes. Jul 15 16:27:01 ericb2 paveljanik: just reorder points is more easy on the wiki Jul 15 16:27:31 paveljanik you can't easily discuss on Wiki... Jul 15 16:27:37 paveljanik discuss the agenda. Jul 15 16:30:07 ericb2 just FYI, I'll be on hollidays starting saturday 29th july until ~20th august Jul 15 16:30:56 ericb2 as important point, I'd ask if someone else is interested to be default owner for Mac OS X issues Jul 15 16:30:56 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: You can post IRC logs and the agenda on the wiki and discuss items before the IRC session on the mac@ list. Jul 15 16:30:57 paveljanik me too - August, 7 - August 20. Jul 15 16:31:28 paveljanik jamesmckenzie: so you'll copy from Wiki to mail? Isn't mail easier and when defined, put into Wiki? Jul 15 16:31:55 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I will be on holiday July 24-July 30th. I'm actually going somewhere HOTTER than I'm at now. Jul 15 16:32:41 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: all IRC logs are at least here : http://eric.bachard.free.fr/mac/aquavcl/logs_meetings/ Jul 15 16:33:03 paveljanik wiki is better place for them. Jul 15 16:33:12 jamesmckenzie paveljanik: Yes, discuss on the mac@ list and then post to wiki. The agenda should be set early enough (say on Wednesday for a Friday meeting) to post to the wiki. The IRC logs should be posted shortly after the meeting ends. ericb2 has a web site set aside for this for now. Jul 15 16:33:26 ericb2 paveljanik: you mean as attachment ? Jul 15 16:33:54 paveljanik ericb2: no, it is text, so as a separate page under Mac meetings page. Jul 15 16:34:24 ericb2 paveljanik: with an entry like [[ ]] ? Jul 15 16:34:36 ericb2 + a title including the date Jul 15 16:36:00 ericb2 other point ? Jul 15 16:36:22 ericb2 schmidtm: you didn't tell us if your aquavcl build works ? Jul 15 16:37:12 ericb2 the answer for StarWars is : =GAME("StarWars") in a cell, in Calc ;-) Jul 15 16:37:58 ericb2 and the secod time, "Oh no, not again" will appear :-) Jul 15 16:38:01 schmidtm ericb2: it's building at the moment - pavel pointed me to a fix in dtrans. I still find it confusing for a newbee to decide which milestone + aquavcl01 + patch to choose ... Jul 15 16:38:30 ericb2 schmidtm: ok. I'll start this evening, if I forgot nothing in my new install Jul 15 16:38:47 ericb2 schmidtm: but I can't help you before tomorrow Jul 15 16:38:47 schmidtm ericb2: start with what? Jul 15 16:38:52 jamesmckenzie ericb2: Thanks. I will try it. Jul 15 16:39:05 ericb2 schmidtm: a new aquavcl build with m176 Jul 15 16:39:18 ericb2 paveljanik: did you resync it with m176 ? Jul 15 16:40:03 paveljanik ericb2: no. I asked Tino because he wants to do that... But two patches are needed, just fetch them from my tree and you are OK. Jul 15 16:40:17 schmidtm ericb2: to make life easier for the one that come next, I proposed three times to write down my findings, but no one was interested ... Jul 15 16:40:21 ericb2 paveljanik: ok, I'll try Jul 15 16:40:30 paveljanik schmidtm: we are interested! Jul 15 16:40:34 paveljanik of course! Jul 15 16:40:36 ericb2 schmidtm: yes of course ! Jul 15 16:41:06 schmidtm paveljanik: which template or styleguide to use? Jul 15 16:41:15 jamesmckenzie schmidtm: So am I. Jul 15 16:41:43 schmidtm all: :-) Jul 15 16:41:58 paveljanik schmidtm: just mail them, maybe we can clean the problematic parts. Jul 15 16:42:28 schmidtm ok - I mail the stuff the moment i get something build reproducable! Jul 15 16:42:48 paveljanik :-) Jul 15 16:43:09 schmidtm all: guys I have to drop out here now - my baby boy is crying ... CU Jul 15 16:43:14 ericb2 another interesting thing, would be : put the .gdb files somewhere. I discovered the content is full of information, and helps the newbies like me with gdb to understand more Jul 15 16:43:16 paveljanik schmidtm: if you need something to be reproducible, you need script. ANd if you need script, you can use my build system - m176+aquavcl+menus+... ;-) Jul 15 16:43:51 ericb2 paveljanik: maybe could you give all the URL ? Jul 15 16:44:16 paveljanik ericb2: it is still on the same place for years now... Jul 15 16:44:32 * ericb2 crashed some days ago :) Jul 15 16:44:37 paveljanik ftp://ftp.linux.cz/pub/localization/OpenOffice.org/devel/build/ - the main part is build Jul 15 16:44:46 schmidtm paveljanik: I basically agree. Explain how your build-system works and i use it. Jul 15 16:45:32 schmidtm all: sorry - i have to run ... Jul 15 16:45:38 * schmidtm (n=schmidtm@p54ADDA94.dip.t-dialin.net) has left #ooo_macport Jul 15 16:45:41 ericb2 last but not least: next meeting friday 19:00 UTC == 21:00 ( french or german hour) ? Jul 15 16:45:59 paveljanik schmidtm: I use it to generate builds of deveopment milestones for GNU/Linux on x86 and x86_64, Solaris/SPARC, Windows, Mac OS X on PPC. Just use it with ./build and it will tell you that you are missing something. If you want to change something like X11/AQAU build, read it. Jul 15 16:46:00 ericb2 friday 21th july of course Jul 15 16:46:03 paveljanik ericb2: ok. Jul 15 16:46:12 ericb2 paveljanik: too late Jul 15 16:46:19 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I will not be able to attend, but I will read the logs :-) Jul 15 16:46:45 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: you're welcome, and than k you very much for your presence ! Jul 15 16:47:20 ericb2 see you all ! Jul 15 16:47:24 jamesmckenzie ericb2: Thanks. And as a note this is my first time using IRC. Jul 15 16:47:39 jamesmckenzie Bye. Jul 15 16:47:53 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: you can come on #openoffice.org too ! Jul 15 16:48:04 jamesmckenzie Same site? Jul 15 16:48:17 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: irc.freenode.net : we often are here too Jul 15 16:48:31 ericb2 jamesmckenzie: just enter : /join #openoffice.org Jul 15 16:48:41 ericb2 / must be the first char of the line Jul 15 16:49:05 jamesmckenzie ericb2: I'm using Conversation. I like its functionality. Jul 15 16:49:19 ericb2 I now have to quit, sorry. CU ! Jul 15 16:49:24 Python interface unloaded **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Jul 15 16:49:24 2006